We have all had "that customer" David Williams [update 4 ]

Have you never had that customer, the one who wont pay his shipping, or supply his delivery address for his order, while he posts everywhere on social media he has been robbed, had his money taken, that scammers got him, and has the problem for every solution. [ see below invoice and address requests ]  We have. As unbelievable as that would sound.

And if you look at the reviews of his own business before it went broke and closed, every bad review targets him specifically.  Seems we arent the only ones he targets in his life.

So here we are  1 quarter into 2024 and despite the ongoing requests we are still yet to get an address for p.o.d shipping or the freight paid by the customer to receive his goods.

He emailed us this which ironically we called his bluff on by actually trying to organise this with the police, but he has since not answered.  It seems there is actually no solution for David, except to give us the p.o.d address and pay the freight, but David refuses everyy option, even the one he asks for, to do so, because it then shows had he done this back in Sept 2023, it would or resolved the situation.

So he is a bit stuck.

Especially now he has tried threats, a lawyer, who dropped him and wont deal with him, because of his position on this, and now he has made false statements to police to try and make the civil matter he finds himself in, into a criminal matter.  Only problem is making false statements to police makes it a criminal matter for him.

And compensation for the slander, social media posts and false statements is going to be huge.  

Because once he gives the p.o.d address where he will be to receive and pays the freight, and his goods arrive, it will prove he has been the problem all along.

Why didnt we just refund him you say?

Because he said it would never stop as long as he is alive, so a p.o.d signature to put up everywhere he has complained will prove who the problem was, which is why he wont take any option given to him.

When we originally offered a refund, he rejected that as well.  David has a problem for every solution.

And he cant say he doesn't get the emails because he reads them alot.

Well today given the online and behind the scenes threats from David we had a PSIO issued this morning in Ballarat magistrates court on the spot due to his barrage of discraceful threatening content and emails.  

Due to his threats it includes his gun licence being suspended and having to hand in his guns to police immediately.

Also, if he posts anywhere online and mentions me or gets others to mention me which he is now not allowed to do please screen shot them and email them to us darren@4wpgroup.com.au 

The charges of breach or assisting him to breach is 240 units and up to 2 years jail.

If you are a group he uses to break the law please delete his comments so as the group admins are not complicit in his illegal activities via the group.

Here is a list of what he cannot do or get others to do.

We also reported his disturbed behaviour as cybercrimes.

And thanks to those whoa re sending me memes LOL.

If you ever wondered why stores everywhere have signs since covid that threats and abuse wont be tolerated its because of these type of people. Wonder why supermarket staff went on strike this week for better work conditions because of abuse and threats, why bullying is up 50% in schools this year, it seems narcissists have thrived during covid, with no contact sms and emails, no filters around them to get reaction from, they seem to want to keep up the turmoil to have a reason to be excited and get out of bed each day.  The excitement of having so many people when they complain on social media actually want to speak to them, makes them feel important.

Meet David Williams The man who calls and texts abuse multiple times a day, until he is blocked, because multiple requests to stick to email because of his behavior, to have it all in writing. 70 emails in afew weeks, name calling, bullying, threatening, complaining, refusing what is required to deliver his order, but diverting the conversation continually.

To buy a pair of shocks....

Because he thinks phone should still be an option, he screen shots emails and replies with sms messages. Until he is blocked from those. Then keeps trying to call even though he is blocked.

Now whilst his order was supposed to ship, and be aprox 3 weeks or so away depending on shipping time, when the supplier went to pick them, they werent with our stock, so had to manufacture them which added 4-6 weeks according to them. from the 9th Sept 2023.

That sees them ready some time in the next week, plus shipping time etc around end of this month aprox..

So we worked through giving him the refund requested as per the contract of sale, even though on custom orders it is at management discretion, to remove him as a customer and send him on his way.  He refused.

We sent him invoice and request for shipping address with ID for proof of delivery. But he refuses to pay the invoice or provide the shipping address where he would be to sign for the goods.

And when he gets people who respond with good replies to his attempts at social media shaming, he accuses them of being me in disguise, and they must be talking about someone else, to shift the narrative.

Then there is the insinuation, probably because David doesn't understand brands, vs company and trading names, that he thinks makes this a bad thing.... 

UPDATE  2 

The last few weeks we have been sending David his weekly new freight invoice as the quote only lasts 5 days from the freight supplier and every week we get new childish responses followed by a volley of posts in different groups with the re hashed same old same old . Often when he gets challenged he will delete them and repost the post to remove the comments where people take him to task.

He will repeat in them they are real, stop deleting my posts, as well as have other identities so he can have conversations with himself within his own post.

I think the new merch should sell well though.

He does love to look at them though, 25 times this week, 34 times last week.....

Are you aware of the 7 steps of a narcissist ? It makes it easy to see what comes next when you know a narcissist to be able to know what is coming next, even before they do. 

Thought you may find this interesting. I do.

I studied it, thats how I know so much about it. And you think I picked the wrong guy to mess with.

never bet against a man with nothing to lose. 

7 Steps of a narcissist.

Ask a narcissist if they are dependable and they will say, Im the most responsible person you know, you can always count on me. And they can be. But when the rubber meets the road (an old saying about being put to the test), narcissists seem to wiggle out of accountability. Why? 

paying and supplying address.

Narcissists will gladly be responsible for the things they deem worthy, especially when it provides an opportunity to be the center of attention. However, when others place responsibility on the narcissist, the narcissist sees this as an attempt to control them. This violates one of their personal mantras: no one will have power over them. So they escape from all liability. How? 

paying and supplying address, but refuse as they know it will end. 

1 Intimidate/Blame. The narcissist begins by bullying the person endeavoring to hold them accountable. Frequently they resort to name calling and belittling to assert dominance over the other person. Once a subordinate position has been established, they blame the person for attempting to make the narcissist look less than superior. 

Sound familiar ? 

2 Accuse/Project. To circumvent any accountability, the narcissist preempts the attack by accusing another person. Usually, they pick an overly responsible, co-dependent person Then the narcissist projects the things they are answerable for onto the other person. Thus escaping before the attack. Like profiles, fake, threats, abuse ... 

3 Argue/Exhaust. This is the simplest tactic with great immediate results. When confronted, the narcissist picks one small detail and argues it to the umpteenth degree. If the other person argues back, they pick another tiny point and persistently wear down their opponent. Exhausted, frustrated, and annoyed, the other person gives upholding the narcissist liable. When a narcissist makes one-on-one conversations, disagreements, feuds, etc., into two-on-one situations, it is known as triangulation. 

Hello plain jet.... argue about all but why no pay address and provide no proof or information on claims. 

4 Deny/Rewrite. One way of avoiding responsibility is for the narcissist to deny they have any. Even if the item is written down, the narcissist will make excuses and rewrite history. Frequently they take the victim role by saying they were forced into being held accountable when in actuality they willingly did so. This tactic often leaves the other person questioning themselves and their memory.

Dont talk about why you havent supplied address and paid freight avoiding responsibility. 

5 Fear/Avoid. Narcissists have the ability to take a persons small fear and turn it into paranoia. Their charisma is put to destructive uses as they weave a believable story with an intense dreadful outcome. Once the other person is frightened, the narcissist uses the other persons terror as justification for avoiding responsibility. They often cite that the other person is reactionary and therefore any requests from the other person should be discounted. 

Except fear online didnt work. 

6 Rescue/Retreat. This tactic is the most manipulative of the bunch. First, the narcissist rescues the other person from a dreadful situation. Eventually, the other person confronts the narcissist about a lack of responsibility and then the narcissist retreats. During a narcissistic collapse, a narcissist may make untrue accusations toward another person to deflect from their behaviors. Such allegations distract from a narcissist’s mistakes or faults if they are called out. In this way, they avoid feeling ashamed or embarrassed if they can place blame on their victim. 

Hello plain jet, and lies lies lies. 

7 Narcissists often distance themselves from in order to escape what they perceive as “toxicity,” even if it is a misconception. This behavior stems from the narcissist's immaturity, which leads to a lack of honesty with themselves and their partners. Rage outbursts are commonly seen during a narcissistic collapse episode. In the narcissist's mind, it is easier to be angry than deal with the uncomfortable emotions of embarrassment, rejection, or shame. Rage is especially typical with vindictive narcissists. Once they see they have lost they generally cut and run and look for a new supply.

A smart man would get legal advice as a proper adult filter to understand their position, and their options, becuase in this case the lawyer would say "why dont you just pay and give the address" and "you are opening yourself up to liable and deformation" but step 7 the narcissist cant do this because they know they lose.

Then there is the emails where he posts up my home address, posts he is coming "for a visit" or his army buddies nearby are coming to visit. There are tonnes of these so far, here is a choice selection.

So if you want to save yourself befofe engaging some of the people in the world today, maybe try looking them up on socials first, especially if they have a business, because the first red flag should be google ratings and business reviews that enjoyed the service but couldnt stand the owner, to save yourself from people like this when you run a business.

If he actually provides his delivery address where he will be and pays for the freight component I will update the thread with the information.

Im off to complete the PSIO now, so pick up wont be an option for him, as he has been made aware.

UPDATE.

David while still unable to pay his freight invoice and supply a delivery address for his goods so he can sign with ID has now taken to a lies and projection campaign on the internet to try and bluff his way while he has  emailed there is no resolution, and is holding up his own delivery. I will keep updating it from each location here as its a great way for my lawyer to see for the defamation case.